In this episode, Chris and Eddie enter into a conversation with Carolyn about her understanding of the heart of Methodism, orthodoxy in the modern day Church, and the importance of understanding holiness not as bondage, but rather as something that brings about abundant life through Christ. In the midst of these topics, Carolyn shares her hopes for the future of an traditional expression of the Methodist faith.

Bishop Carter emphasizes the importance of having a pastoral heart when discerning how the church should be in ministry with LGBT persons as well as his passion for ensuring the vibrancy of the United Methodist Church for future leaders and congregants.